David Icke. The Ayahuasca Controversy
David Icke and the Voice that Betrayed Him.
Since I posted several of David’s reversals while speaking about the ayahuasca experience that he had in Peru several years ago, a debate on his work is now in progress on the blog. I think debates are healthy and that is why this has been an open forum (within reason.)
I’ve stated over and over continuously, that I hold David in the highest esteem for his sheer guts in bringing out all of the controversial reptilian information, but the ayawaska opened his mind to the serpent’s voice and now his work is suspect.
Here are a few items taken from his book Tales from the Time Loop that I am convinced are disinformation. These are not outright fabrications, but lies on the wings of truth.
Here are some of the truths:
The time loop is real as we are all hearing in reverse. We are all a part of the infinite One or Oneness. He even depicts the net on the cover of this book and that we are trapped in it.
Here is where it gets distorted from my RS research:
This is a quote from Tales from the Time Loop, page 326. “Subconscious mind had become imprisoned by fear, the voice said, and this had caused the illusion of disconnection from the Infinite or Infinite Love, the only “is” that we all are. This had reached such proportions that these lower levels of subconscious mind had developed a deep and deepening fear of the unknown that lay beyond its “disconnected” awareness. It had forgotten that it is Infinite Love and that what lay outside of its apparent boundaries was also Infinite Love. To ease its fear of the unknown, subconscious mind had created a collective thought projection-a sort of three-D movie that I refer to as the Matrix.”
This begins the set up. “We” as part of subconscious mind, did this to ourselves by disconnecting from the One. So the bottom line is; it’s our creation so it’s our fault.
The voice goes on, “Subconscious mind created a dream world that was to become a nightmare.
Further on, “the voice said that this emotional state had led collectively to the creation of the illusion-the Matrix-that humans believe to be real.”
(my note:) It’s all just a grand illusion brought on by our deep subconscious fears, so the pain can’t really be that bad, since it isn’t real, right? I’ve heard the pain and suffering of those people and children on the other side (not to mention on this side) and I really want to slap someone silly, who minimizes it.
Here’s the best part of the set up: “The ultimate manipulator of the Matrix and it’s five-sense Time Loop, the voice said, was the very fabric of the Matrix itself and its power source was the consciousness trapped within its vibrational walls. The Matrix was a self-aware entity that was knowingly manipulating to ensure its own survival by generating the events necessary to produce the fear that empowered it. Humans were indeed ‘batteries’ or power stations for the Matrix and we were providing the power to maintain our own prison. The Reptilians did ‘exist’, said the voice, but they were holographic thought projections of the Matrix very much like the agents or sentient programs that manipulate in the Matrix movies. They could either operate as a reptilian projection or hide behind an apparently ‘human’ form just as the sentient programs morph in and out of different human forms in the movies. Either way, the Reptilians and other projected agents of the Matrix were not ‘real’ in consciousness terms; they were projections, thought fields or highly sophisticated software programs.”
So our fear created the reptilians who are just thought projections??? Wrong wrong wrong!
But look how slick this is. Look at the way the voice weaves this very sophisticated theory using quantum physics, our mental processes, the holographic Universe, the Oneness, and even the Matrix movie all interwoven into a mental construct that would resonate with a brilliant and spiritual man like David.
The reptilians are evil, but they are not stupid.
It’s much less sophisticated to say that an extraterrestrial race from the Orion Constellation won the battle and acquired Earth as a prize. The Net was strung, our minds shut down and manipulated, and we became their victims as they gave us every structure here including our version of time and space. We’re recycled around in this net by their doing, so escape has been nearly impossible. Meanwhile they eat our flesh and suck our energy both here and in the Astral world which is still in their net. The truth becomes naïve-sounding, but this is what is revealed in reverse, without exception and without contradiction in virtually every case.
I’ve said it over and over; the mind is the reptilian’s playground. When one uses mind-altering drugs it just opens the door wider for the snake to waltz in.
So here it is: It’s all an illusion, it’s not that bad. But listen to his reversals:
Bliss/”Satan, that ol’ snake meddles. Was she nice, skip the battle. Fraud, she loves butt, a real snake. You’ll lose facts.”
From What I have heard, the ayahuasca trip is promoted at every lecture that David gives.
The snakes are tricky devils they know just how to say something so we will accept it. A whole lot of people have been convinced that we created this so we deserve it. Well if we created it we can uncreate it so why aren’t we? Why are we just sitting here taking all this BS? Oh we are just afraid. Sigh. The smartest thing the masters ever did was get the slaves to think they were the masters.
I hear ya, sb.
Once again SB, brilliant observation.
So, I guess the we gotta stay away from drugs. I must confess that I was considering going to South America and trying ayahuasca, but I’m not so sure now…
I’ve read up on the different negative drug experiences and there are a lot of horror stories. Some people have even said they felt like something was trying to take them over. I would say any state that makes you extremely vulnerable to anyone whether human or interdimensional should be avoided. Just look at Carlos Castaneda’s work with the devil’s weed. Some being tried to eat him alive when he took that. Going to sleep is dangerous enough for me! LOL
We, as a group. We, as white race. We, as black race. We, as cristians. We, as muslims. We, as republicans. We, as conservatives. We, as ecology fighters. We, as reverse speaking listeners. We, as David Icke lovers. We, as human race.
Don’t you see guys that this is a magnificent tool to separate the individual from truth seeking?
The Reptilians, in my researched opinion, have always been the dark gods. They were not corrupted light beings, hence they can never be retrieved. Their end is destruction only. Even they know it now but they can continue as long as we provide the energy because darkness needs energy from the light in order to continue. Sure, it must corrupt the light energy, hence we live in a world of waste, pollution and constant conflict, but their only hope is to reverse time when we start to awaken and take us through the whole loop again. (represented in the Mayan calendar)
Well, this time they have failed and we are continuing to awaken. The uncontrollable factor (X) has forced them to evacuate the planet leaving their inferior, albeit desperate, minions behind to take care of things. The battle is currently in full swing and their systems are beginning to fall apart. Dimensions will begin to superimpose. We will begin to see and hear things that are not normal to this dimensional plane.
The Dark Ones are going down fighting but they are going down.
James - you make my heart sing!!!!
James
You are oh so right!
Going down soon!
Sb
The last few weeks I’ve seen shadows moving around more and more. Large handprints pressed on my window and the dreams lately are only of the destruction of earth by everything from meteors to invading armies from outerspace. Hate this manipulation!
Is it manipulation or a warning from your higher self though? See it’s hard to know on that kind of stuff. A lot of the reversals show that kind of stuff happening. ????
SB
It stands to reason that PX has orbiting debris. Meteors have become more numerous and particles per cubic centimeter in space increasing in waves. Place to watch:
http://www2.nict.go.jp/y/y223/simulation/realtime/
Scroll down and see the boxes below. Temp and Particles per cc.
I have seen spikes going through the top of the box. Soon, astronauts will have to take ayahuasca just to venture up there.
George,
I would definitely give the drug a miss. I realize I’ve been misspelling it. Oh well.
Manel,
I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned truth seekers. RS isn’t a title we take on, its only a tool we use to try to break through the morass of lies and get to the truth.
JohanP
The dark ones will aim full blast in your direction. We’re all experiencing attacks at one level or another. It’s a pain, but you aren’t alone.
James,
Thanks for that link. I think it is important to get “scientific” backup for RS information. Hopefully, they won’t mess with the input as things get denser and PX gets closer.
For readers wanting to reverse analysis (since the reverse is likely to be in English) on the latest Osama 2 minute video, it’s on the You Tube link below. For all we know, this may be either a clone, or even an actor. I don’t know if this is a problem on my end or is a You TUbe problem, but this only plays on my PC for 1 second before stopping. I’m sure with all the junk You Tube has on it, there’s plenty of other previous Osama videos to watch on it, to get audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWHKDASKChI
Collin,
I’ll definitely get to that audio. Although I already know this is a clone.
I figured it was time to fix all those ayawaska misspellings. Sheesh.
Peggy~ look at the top ‘tool bar’(it has File, Edit, View, History, Bookmarks, Tools, Help; above the site address). Click on TOOLS; Click on OPTIONS, look at BROWSE, and check~”check my spelling”. Any time you misspell while typing, it gets underlined in red. Right click on the word, and other possibilities pop up. Click on the appropriate one and it changes it for you. Voila~ perfect spelling. Well almost. Some offer grammar checks too.
I use Foxfire, but other servers will be similar. I couldn’t write without it.
Ayahuasca probably won’t be there since it is an unfamiliar word to the computer and not English. But I just spelled it so Peggy, copy and paste! ; )
Thanks Miriam, I didn’t know my spelling was so bad but sometimes the simplest word just illudes me, like illude. I tried to find browse and check my spelling but I’m not getting that option. I’ll figure it out, thanks Miriam. Sara is right ayahuasca wasn’t in the dictionary.
When you do figure it out, you can add Ayahuasca to your personal dictionary! There are words that I consistently misspell too!
I used to win spelling bees…(giggle!)
I never won a spelling bee and I you can all see why (laughing).
I meant to say And I think you can all see why (sheesh.).
Well Peggy it is 5:30 AM for you! LOL!
Hi. This is not about David, but I am looking as to which section I can find the info that stated that Jesus was a Rep. I want to know if he was. Also, did all of you guys and gals go through a lot of sadness, no interest in anything, feelings of purposelessness, and feelings of not caring anymore when you first woke up? I thought I was awake before, but now, I realize I wasn’t. I just wanted to know that I am not the only one that is going through this. I can’t share all of this with my family or husband. Thanks for listening.
Hi Peggy. I tried to go to Paypal for donation, but this is what it said “We were unable to decrypt the certificate id.” Is this problem my end or have you seen this before……I will try again later.
Thanks
Hmm I don’t remember a section that stated that Jesus was reptilian. I think what might have been said is that religion collects loosh and mind controls people for the reptilians. We don’t know really if the Jesus figure ever even existed. But, I guess if he did I think he would be like the authors today that try to make us look at things differently. They get enough followers and it gets turned into a religion where that author is the only one that’s right. It collects energy and emotions aka loosh and becomes a system for the reptilians to use to lord over humanity. Does that make any sense? It’s a very simple formula I believe. So that anything good we try to do gets turned against us in the end. Yeah waking up and staying awake is not fun. I just try to have a sense of humor about it. I’ll laugh at the most horrible stuff. I’m not trying to be insensitive. It’s just this place is so messed up it is a joke to me. I just don’t take it seriously. When it starts not being stupid I will but until than I make fun of this whole reality. Telling your family is never a good idea so don’t even attempt it unless they are waking up too. Otherwise they will think they have to commit you. So do find others waking up too and talk to them the non-awake people in your life will never get it.
Thanks SB. I am just trying to resume a normal life (whatever that means), but things are different now. Thanks for a great explanation. As for others waking up around me, my friends that think they are “awake” believe what I used to feel was truth, such as the light, angels, guides, meditations, etc…..I have mentioned a few things but my response was major denial. They feel I need to have energy sessions and that I need to trust.
Only a fool never questions as they say. If something is real than it can stand up against questioning but if it’s not it can’t. Most things on this planet wouldn’t exist without PR. Your friends are new age just as other people’s friends and family are old age. Same thing in the end. Pick your hive they say. Well I’ll pick the one that says hey let’s go our own way but meet up and compare notes when we can. When I think of trust I think of cows trusting the farmers who take care of them and end up at the slaughterhouse. I have no real use for it most of the time. But, that’s a personal thing I suppose.
Hiya Jacqueline,
I just want you to know that I think the majority of us all have our moments of downtime…sometimes the process of acquiring truth hurts. It means you have to let go of some basic foundational things that you believed. It can be painful and most, if not all, the people in your life can not even comprehend what you are going through. That is why Peggy’s site as well as others are so important. My way of dealing with it - - prayer to the One True and Mighty One, often refered to as simply The One by this community - as in RS, that is what He is referred to. Prayer for truth in all things, the ability to walk in that truth and for deceptions, any and all to be revealed to you.
There are times when I feel like a sponge - with so much truth coming at me, I can not absorb it all at one time. Then I take a walk in a beautiful park or just do something else I enjoy for a season of time and afterwards, I’m ready to go at it again.
Oh yeah - about “Jesus” (I call him by his hebrew name, Yahshua) - I do really feel he existed. I feel religion, scribes, pharisees and the workings of the dark side et. all have done an excellent job of hiding, distorting and manipulating pretty much everything to do with him. It is my opinion that he was born of a virgin (or a Virgo, Sept. 11, 3 B.C. - moon in Libra (Rev. 12:1) - so much of “Christianity” is astrology) which was Rosh Hashanah (new years day) aka the 1st day of the Feast of Trumpets. He was “the son of man” or not of the serpant seedline and the spirit of the One was in him. Even the demons / cloaked reptilians knew who he was - Matt 8:29 “…they cried out saying; “What have You to do with us, son of YHWH? Have you come to torture us before the appointed time?” - hahaha, imagine a them seeing The One here walking around in some humble fellow’s body. I bet they were shaking…and no wonder they wanted to go into the heard of pigs, anything but the abyss, which is where they’ll all be going soon enough.
Yeah Jacqueline~ I still get that way…just going about my business…waiting. Even my thought of starting in herbal school is dying on the vine. I too thought I was awake until I started questioning what I thought I knew thru OS. You are far from being alone!
That should read “RS” not “OS”… ;>
Hi Jacqueline,
These are older posts and I’m wanted to read all of the ones I missed this afternoon.
As people have said, you are not alone in all of this.
I’ve gone through hell and back and then back to hell and back again from there in the last five years. But I’ve had five years to process all of this. You are new to it and that you are still here is a tribute to your strength.
This post is old now, but I thought I’d comment on something that struck me from reading your take on David’s time loop book.
Granted, I think it might be possible that David has become an avenue of disinformation most likely without knowing it, but the bits you quoted from tales from the time loop I’d have to say are one of the ones that rang most true to me, and even as I read them again, I still see it as true.
Ok, where am I coming from with this?, look at it this way, I’m sure with all your work with the spirit world and other dimensional beings and even certain kinds of people in this physical world, you’d agree steadfastly with the following statement;-
“Evil does not force us to commit evil,
rather we are tempted, seduced and deceived into evil.”
When I read those lines from tales from the time loop, it struck me that at some point, we must have been seduced out of the light (away from oneness or whatever) and from there fear was generated and has been generated ever since to form the matrix that imprisons us.
Who seduced us from the light now becomes irrelevant, but i think we’d all agree that the fear we generate locks us into a prison for our mind even at an individual level, then as a collective, the same applies on a grander scale.
In a way, we keep ourselves imprisoned through fear, the reason I stand by this logic is that if everyone snapped out of the fear based paradigm the collective mind would in turn be free, just as an individual mind is set free once they break free from their fears…
On the subject of the reptilian agenda, and David saying that they’re projections or sentient programs or such like, I sort of assumed that this is a view from a much higher level (dimension if you like) than the average man is privy to, but when pointed out one can sort of start to get it.
It appears to me that David was mixing 3rd dimensional understanding with other level understandings, which is just Greek to us and makes no sense.
Put simply, if you come from the point of view of oneness of consciousness and all things, then what Icke says make sense, but if you come from a point of view of polarity consciousness and separateness (lower level(dimensional) view, then what he’s saying might seem like what you say it is…
The way out of this I suppose would be a true understanding of the physics of nature. I don’t know all of it, but there’s the 100th monkey syndrome…- If enough of us awaken to the oneness of all things, and by enough, I mean we come onto what is called ‘Critical Mass’ in the numbers of people who are awake, then we’d have a quickening, and more and more people would awaken too.
I’ve heard that that’s how consciousness works, it makes sense to me, but then again, who knows…
Perhaps a little help from Planet X will do the trick, but I am one of those people who has learned to have a PLAN A that involves me getting the job done and any outside assistance a PLAN B, or a boost.
Anyhow, we watch and see how it unfolds.
Interesting thoughts Clara.
I think it does matter what we are afraid of though. Otherwise we project this amorphos fear onto others for whatever reason…being different in some way…instead of the real culprit which is are the Reptiles. And that is the crux of their Agenda; to have us turn on each other and thereby control us. Always finding ways to create “other” and create fear and division.
Every time we come close to the 100th monkey there the Reps are creating a crisis and then fear and separation. So to blame *US* as if~well why don’t you just stop and evolve, after all it is just your projections~ is misplaced. It is a scary part of the agenda~to loop it back onto ourselves, to blame ourselves for not evolving enough, and for not snapping out of fear(because we are constantly being manipulated into fear, therefore according to this outlook not evolving)makes it impossible to get ahead.
And that is exactly what the Reps want.
When you say~ I know who the enemy really is, and it is not us, well then that changes the picture significantly.
Then there is no hiding behind the curtain of “psychology”(therapy for years) or “ascension”(just try harder, you are almost there!), or any of the mind controls that have us thinking that we are truly in charge.
And that is unfortunately where David got taken.
i used lsd a bit in my younger days along w/ mescalline(sp?)and all i did was connect w/ Earth. talk to trees and watch the sky. realized how everything is connected. i made sure i was around good people. it would lift the veil for 10 hours or so. i would watch people grow dark, get “horns”..thats why i was able to accept the Annunaki/Rep thing so easily. i thought i could just see their souls and they were dark, that was an understatement. i have seen many get “manipulated” but i was taught by my Dad~mind over matter, if you dont mind it doesnt matter. so i didnt really ever “lose it” or hear voices. of course, i dont do any of that anymore. no need. plus the fact that 1 hit of lsd is a conspiracy to overthrow the government??? maybe timothy leary was a pleidian? blessings to all!
Peggy now im really concerned as the website that i have been frequenting over the last few moths main purpose is to promote Ayauhuasca (sp)lol.
This site is very influential, and is gaining a lot of newcomers who want to speak with their subconscious, hey i was nearly tempted, his book supernatural is a best seller i think.
Would you not be tempted to go and express your view and offer evidence
This was posted some weeks ago and stopped me in my tracks, as id never thought before,,, you have to be registered to view this mature and responsible thread in its entirety but there are so may ayuahasca threads, im really concerned for my fellow posters now as i was curious myself. Peggy wold you advise me to confront or leave the forum, or would you dare leave a comment and a link perhaps, im not very brave i know.
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Date: 05-Feb-08 15:34
I was watching an interview with Graham Hancock the other day in which he was talking about his expereinces with ayahuasca. He seemed fairly enamoured with it and talking about some crocadile headed being he had met in one of his shamanic dreams while tripping. Thedevotional hunger and gleem in his eye was scary as he talked about his intention to return to the jungle a do it all over again to pursue this being and interview him about certain burning questions. How did he miss the fact that this being is him and that he carries him within at all times? Didn’t anybody bothern to tell him that he can access this part of himself anytime he wants, with or without phytochemicals flowing throuhg his system to do it?
At this point I would like to urge caution. Allies have a way of becoming slavemasters really easily. He comes to this with a curious mind, and the spirits will often reward that sort of thing with addiction and delusion.
The elders teach that spiritual experiences are for that person and are not to profaned by speaking or writing about them. Since it seems that his soul’s desire is to report on his experiences and tell them to the world for the sake of fortune and fame, he will bring that voyerism vibration into every experience he carries, and the price for that is getting stuck in the lower astral. Once this door is opened, its really hard to close again. He could get lost, or be reduced to a babbling idiot that no body pays attention to, which would be a shame since heretofore he has been an accute mind with a keen sense of observation and a real talent for writing. I would wish for him that he learn those techniques that allow him to travel through his own inherant inner faculties, rather than playing with the lower astral, addictive, manifestations of secondary power.
By the way the hippo or croc headed “god” in ancient Egypt was at times associated with Set the lord of darkness.
Caution is advised.
This poster never came back and responded to follow ups but it spoke to me in bucketfulls now ive found you today…..
Peggy help with my dilemma,,plz
Hello Peggy,
do you have an opinion about david wilcock? he is gaining in popularity but recently endorsed obama (it seems as if all of the candidated except maybe ron paul, are more of the same)this made me think he is likely weaving truth w falsehood… i supposed since the truth must come out during this time there is an attempt to control this.
thanks.
Chris
DRUGS IN THE DREAMSCAPE
In my previous writings I alluded to the promotion of substance abuse amongst abductees by the reptilians. Sorcery by any other name is still sorcery. In the strictest sense, Sorcery refers to the use of natural or artificial substances by humans in order to attain a certain level of consciousness as a means of establishing and maintaining contact with non-human intelligences. I will now point out how astral dreamscape manipulation can and will be used to keep abductees of both sexes hooked on various drugs including but not limited to alcohol, crystal methedrine, crank, cocaine and marijuana.
If an abductee has given up alcohol for awhile, he may have dreams where he is drinking booze. Not just drinking beers but guzzling whiskey out of a bottle. The dreamscape environment might be simulated to look like a favorite pub or hangout. During this dreamscape experience, the abductee may be drinking with what appear to be old drinking buddies he hasn’t seen in years. He may wake up in the morning with a hangover or a tremendous headache.
The ritualistic aspect of marijuana usage is exploited big time by the reptilians in the astral dreamscape. An abductee will find himself in a dream where he is back in a “party house” he used to hang out at as a teenager for example. Again, the reptilians have scanned his memories and know exactly how to create a reasonable facsimile of this party house. Everything including the Led Zeppelin posters on the wall will be simulated.
The abductee’s party buddies as they appeared years ago will be present. Here is where the ritualistic aspect of pot use comes into play. The abductee will find a bag of pot in his pocket. He will pull it out and begin the ritual of removing the seeds and the stems or depending on the quality of the dreamscape pot, pull out little scissors and begin cutting up the buds. Every nuance of the joint rolling or pipe stuffing ritual is re-enacted in minute detail. Finally, the group gathers around in a circle and begins the ritual of smoking the pot and passing it around. The duration of these experiences are the same as if it were being done in real life with each smoker expectantly waiting for their next hit of pot.
When the abductee wakes up shortly thereafter (this is usually done in the late morning so the memory is still fresh) he may actually feel as if he’s high on pot for few minutes. The reason he may feel high albeit momentarily is because the reptilians can manipulate brain chemistry in order to simulate the feeling of being under the influence of any drug they choose. They will even inject or otherwise introduce the drug into the sleeping abductee.
Barbara Bartholic actually has cases where the abductee woke up with powder under their noses or remembered seeing grays injecting them and telling them they were being injected with Crank!
For this and many other reasons, crystal methedrine and crank are some of the most difficult drugs to quit. When an individual is on speed they resonate at a different frequency than they ordinarily would. Excess nervous frenetic energy oozes out of the crank user which is assimilated greedily by any and all reptilians that are present in or out of the visible spectrum. Speed makes people paranoid and easier to manipulate. Some crank users begin to develop deviant sexual thoughts and desires and may begin acting on them. In some cases, crank users have found it well nigh impossible to stay off of the child porno sites on the internet.
Crank users are manipulated into becoming violent and unpredictable thus creating an environment of high drama and tension for the other family members in the household. The wives or girlfriends of crank users who have become hosted have described how they suddenly realized that the individual they were living with “was not the same man I married.” This comes up so often that it cannot be ascribed merely to some kind of hundredth monkey effect. More like a hundredth reptilian host effect. The woman will notice that her crankster boyfriend or husband has developed extremely deviant sexual desires which he wants to try on “his” mate. “He’s not the same man I married.” No doubt.
When the speed user decides to quit using the drug, that’s when the astral dreamscape manipulation kicks in that is tailor made to keep him on crank or crystal meth. There really is no need to elaborate on it suffice to say that they ensure that the user in the dreamscape is always in a situation where the drug is being used by himself and others or he is always in possession of the drug. Whether he’s sitting in a dreamscape parking lot, theater, park or classroom, the former user will always find that he has his drug of choice in his possession. Pretty soon the crank user begins using again in “the real world” and the whole miserable cycle begins anew.
He´s gonna help us at Art Without Borders to open up our exhibition in Leicester later this or next year, provided the event takes place. If all goes well I can invite Peggy. I will be inviting lots of people but most of them have to pay everything on their own.
regards,