To David Oates, (Redwolfe) Maybe we are both right.
David Oates (Redwolfe) and I are having a discussion on the nature of the metaphors in reverse speech. The name Eve came up. My understanding is that this is a living individual and wrote about her and put up reversals in my article in the Pleiadian category.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2007/10/29/eve-is-a-pleiadian-warrior-listen/
I suspect that one could go through the reversals in my article and say, these are all aspects of yourself being brought out to the conscious mind so you can have a greater understanding of your own nature (or something like that). If I hadn’t had thousands of conversations with people on the other side, I could accept this and struggle with what it all means and how to incorporate that into my life. But I know there were real people and real events happening unseen and unheard except with recorders and software.
Just to digress for a moment, I put up the reptilian torture session audio, to show that in a quiet home, on a lovely Sunday morning, there was hell being played out right there in another dimension unseen and unheard except with my recorder:
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/2007/12/30/a-reptilian-torture-session/
David gives us his theory:
Eve that i have found over the years and it is very obviously in the therapeutic context - i have worked with her under trance many times - she is common metaphor referenced in many metaphor books and also frequently referenced in Carl Jung’s work - it is part of a metaphor pair - adam/eve which is part of a larger group - adam/eve/eden/river/wine/snake/apple etc etc - all of which tap into collective unconscious memories (or myths) of the garden of eden - as i change the eve metaphor in my client’s trances i notice a change in their behaviour accordingly - all of the meaning for my metpahors are determined after seeing them in similar contexts time and time again and by comparing the forward and reverse dialogue.
Extracts from RS metaphor dictionary….
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EVE (Structural) see Adam; the spiritually matured, emotionally stable strong woman; perfect woman; as in Adam and Eve; the spiritual woman; innocence. Trance image. Tall, attractive woman in the Garden Of Eden, usually brunette with moderate build
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SHEPHERD (Structural) almost a metaphor for Christ; the part of us that is “Christ-like”; the part of us that is very spiritually in-tune; teacher; leader; spiritual guide; one to be trusted; a servant of God; a leader seeking their sheep. Trance image; a shepherd ferquently in the Garden of Eden
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MARK (Structural) see Beast; to be harmed; damage on psyche; a dysfunctional metaphor also spiritual damage
So I decided to do a little audio to ask. I then realized that this is probably not going to solve any differences we may have in our interpretations so I only did a very quick scan and pulled out three reversals which all say the same thing:
(Eve) always living.
She may live as a therapeutic metaphor and she may live as a being of great strength and courage who helped many of the spirit people get to safe haven. Either way, She is alive.
Full forward audio on who or what is Eve:
Reverse:
Always living
Forward:
Reverse:
Always living
Forward:
Reverse:
Always living
Perhaps Eve is multi-dimensional and works in both realms.
Just one more:
Reverse:
Mocks Satan
David may give this an interpretation based upon old mythologies, connected to the garden of eden.
I say, she’s giving the reptilians hell!
I guess it comes down to each person having to decide for themselves.
Ha, reminds me of a conversation in reverse about Eve in and Darling stated She is alive. So *I* heard it, but Darling said this.
And funny, I sent it before this thread was on.
But maybe just a coincidence..
Hugs to you all :-)
Darling is so very smart.
Hugs back!
Yeah he is :-)
I wrote this in the “Response to David Oates thread…
Peggy~ I have heard Eve and the context would have been more talking about us as a people. But it was the context that gave it meaning.
So when you were talking to EVE thru EVP it was a person, when it was thru RS it was probably a person. My context did not allow for that.
I have also heard from Eve the person once.
I think context, as well as what you are listening for~ your filters~ will be part of the determination.
If David went back to his UFO RS thinking it was a person, it would open up a lot of other meanings as well.
That is where the “layering” comes in.
There are more than singular meanings. More than one application, and both are correct. Neither wrong. It is not mutually exclusive.
I agree with you there.
And it is possible to hold both in one’s mind. That is a leap for our minds…and a break in the net that allows it. ;>
Sounds like the Elephant and Blind Men parable. I think we need to reach out in the darkness and get a better feel of the ‘beast’. Peggy may have the bigger picture of the reality, JMHO.
I also think it very interesting that Eve pilots a large ship called the Bridegroom - gives one a whole lot to ponder in light of the taking away of the Bride and all…my brain is still not wrapping around it. Must try to do some RS on it all.
I just realized that David talks about client in trance. I’m assuming that this means hypnosis. If so, that is an open invitation to the reptilians hanging around to play games with that person’s mind unbeknown to either therapist or client.
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I have gone through hypnosis and got certain information, and when I pulled out my own tape and listened carefully in the EVP, I could hear the reps around me saying “Attach this to her cerebral cortex so she believes this fantasy.”
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Hypnosis just opens our mind wider to their manipulations. This is why it has no value when dealing with UFO encounters or abductions. The person under hypnosis is telling one story and their reversals are telling a whole different story.
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If you go to abductions category and check Betty and Barney Hill abduction tapes, you’ll see what I mean.
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You cannot underestimate what these reptilians can do with our minds. We are so very unaware and vulnerable. (except people here of course).
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Just like the torture session that I posted, we don’t see them or hear them. They do whatever they want with impunity. Unless you realize this and take the steps to protect yourself and loved ones, people are just sitting ducks.
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One more point, I have found there is always evp at the beginning and ending of every tape. There is more usually, but it is always there. I have found that I ofen respond to what the entity is saying and if one isn’t aware of the EVP, they would wonder what that reversal could mean. I don’t encourage people to get involved with the EVP since it is all reptilians, but being aware of this is important.
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Anyone listening to EVP and not reversing will be surely duped.
A few years ago, a friend called and asked me to reverse him. He left the recording on my phone machine. I downloaded and began to listen in reverse. It was quite bazaar actually and he was saying things like “you are a liar” and other things that sounded like he was having some mental problems.
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I began to really listen to the EVP in the audio. He was having a fight with the entity who was also speaking.
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The entity told him that they had grabbed his father and ruined him after his father died. My friend was very upset in reverse. He was saying things like “my father is great and got you.” He told them they were “pieces of shit” and the entity threatened him back. This went on for about 2 minutes.
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If I didn’t hear the EVP and realize this was a verbal battle, I would think my friend had some serious mental disturbance. But I knew exactly who he was speaking to.
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Mind you, he had no idea consciously, but we can hear these vicious reptilians in the RS part of the mind. We know what they are saying and will respond.
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I have reversals with me speaking and the spirit people (years ago) where I am responding to them in real time, in reverse. It was a very big realization to me.
Miriam,
Well said. I do agree that it is not necessarily either, or, but can be both.
That is what makes it so brilliant.
This reverse speaking just blows me away!
Jay, Good analogy.
TG, When I was listening to the spirit people lining up to get out of the astral world 6 years ago, they just called the ship, the transport. I never heard the name of the craft.
There was only so much room and they would have to come early to get tickets. The transport took people out every day. It came to and from the Pleiades in a very short time. The Pleiadians also had to sleep and would tell me that they couldn’t talk to me because they needed to sleep. Spirit people would tell me that the word had gone out and that there were crowds coming to get out. I had one EVP that said “Oh look at the throng.”
One of the reptilians tried to go, but was kicked off. He was furious and yelled into my recorders. It was quite a drama, night after night until that New Years Eve when the reptilians captured the transport. That was when the net came down and the people could no longer get out.
Interesting, Peggy, your recount above. I have never gotten bridegroom in RS, however, I have gotten “the Zeal” at least twice in context that had me thinking it was some type of ship and not just being ‘on fire’ or whatever.
TG, I don’t ever remember hearing bridegroom in RS. I do have David’s book of metaphors which I’ve been trying to find but misplaced right now. There are words I’ve never heard, (maybe just didn’t pay attention to) and other words that I’ve heard often but are not included. I’m still trying to find the dictionary.
Artshoe…just saw the new vid..COOL!
Hey Peggy,
I curious about something. We’ve discussed ships coming here to 3D before and how it would be unwise for people to get on them. If, however, the people in the astral were removed via transport ship, why wouldn’t the same happen here? How would we know the difference between the reps and the Pleiadians if the reps can put images into our minds? I realize that once the net goes down that things will be different but wouldn’t they still be able to mess with our heads? The thought just struck me when you mentioned the battle above.
Sara, that’s a $64k question there. “Pardon me, but would you mind telling me who you are and who you serve right here in this mike so I can do a quick reversal on you?” I can only imagine that any true rescuers would know how duped and manipulated we here have been and would understand our hesitation. And if they are reps….they will probably show their true colors if questioned enough and then we’d know.
Also, I am pretty sure that “the Ark” is also a ship - don’t know for sure which side, good or bad. Looking back through my notes, I have it mentioned several times and it looks to be the context of a ship. That shed’s a whole new light on Noah’s Ark, huh.
Hi all, Take a look at this: http://mountain19.livejournal.com/ can anyone save these videos? It just came across the wire, and while I was on AOL, they kept coming up with “video no longer available”, yet when I tried to view it in my other browser the videos worked. I’ve seen a few of these, but there’s some new ones here–like the photos of the destination screens (there are in the DUMBS or Deep Underground Military Bases)–and the one about the “cure for all diseases” of course that guy is now dead. Cannot have that “cure” going on because the money has to be in the pharms and the oil industries for the reps to stay in “power”. Did anyone else see this (oh yes, oil is now at 100 dollars a barrel and the stock market is about to tank):
http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/251669.html My response to him was this:
QUOTE: “An old science fiction movie goes like this: A group of seemingly benign extraterrestrials visit Earth and establish themselves as benefactors. They help humans cure disease, invent useful technologies and establish peace. The alien visitors all appear as beautiful and handsome humans, which help to inspire earthling trust. They rapidly rise to control the centers of political power. One evening, the hero of the film uncovers a plot of exploitation and enslavement by stumbling upon a secret meeting in which the aliens shed their human masks to reveal their true reptilian nature.” END QUOTE http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/251669.html
You are one brave person to even think of writing such things. Be careful and expect to be lambasted for such musings because what you’ve written is too close to the truth. If you doubt my premise, suspend your disbelief and check out my press room:
http://www.visionaryspeaking.com/press_room.htm
Try setting Google alerts to track “reptilian” or “reptilian bloodlines”, or try writing more on this subject and you will soon realize, it is not fiction–it’s our ancient history on this planet. (If this is all too surreal to you, check out this site for some history: http://mountain19.livejournal.com/ ) Trust me, the words you wrote contain the truth about a well guarded secret that’s about to be revealed due to people waking up. If you know anything about the 100th monkey, it’s what’s happening now in our world, and that’s why your thoughts led you to write it down in the article. (Jung called it the collective unconscious, but it’s really a phenomenon of awareness that happens without anyone doing anything.) Sounds laughable, doesn’t it? Well, I assure you, it isn’t.
Take care and don’t let the rogues brainwash your brilliant mind because they’ve been doing it to us all through entertainment, media, the internet and basically anything that’s connected with mass mind.
xoxo,
Coco
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Peggy, I’ve got to write something to you about the metaphors of Oates, I ran across it while doing research, but I haven’t had the time yet. It’s real important because it demonstrates how Oates feeds into the rep agenda in his work. I’ll get that posted as soon as I can.
Love to all, and stay strong.
Hi Coco and all,it’s interesting what you said about the sci fi movie.I’m trying to track down a movie i saw mentioned on one of Peggy’s interview’s called”The intruders”.I’d say a lot of thing’s in those movie’s are not far from the truth.It’s like that old saying “there’s a lot of rumors going on around here,the trouble is most of them are true.”x zan.
Hi Zandog, If you look at it real closely, (all three of these utube videos are good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97YkOWwUE2Y ) you’ll see that since the beginning of time they (reps) have tried to shape our view of history through everything that’s published in media or everything that influences mass mind. TAke, for example, WWII. Was that how they squelched what Admiral Byrd saw in the Antarctica or the inner Earth controversy? If you question the “official” time line of Admiral Byrd’s flight, then question the timeline of the release of the movie “Lost Horizon” (the movie contained the same exact quotes from Admiral Byrd’s log book upon entering inner Earth), then one must question if the reps doctored the books so that everyone (most anyway) would have an adverse reaction to “swastikas” (ancient symbol), “foreign accents” (German) and “beings from inner Earth.” When Byrd came back after that flight, he said he had a mission to deliver a message from for the world (one of peace and no nukes)…but that message was never delivered. Why did Congress pass a special act to promote him to Admiral? Was it to keep his mouth shut? Apparently. If you doctor the books and promote it as the truth, then use a war to promote hatred … see how effective that would be?
Yes i do.They always change thing’s to suit their agenda,they must think we are stupid! xx.
Peggy~ so what does that say then about David Oates work if he uses hypnosis? That is scary quite frankly…the reversal are then contaminated in a way that is not known and the metaphors too…? Sorry David I have to ask this…
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Coco~ the vid that is about curing disease is Bob Beck and his “zappers”.
Here is more on him:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3383948315844437935%20&q=robert+beck&total=261&start=0&num=10&%20so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Here is excellent info:
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/BobBeck.html
Coco, thank you for the links. It matches with some ideas I had in YR4. So maybe there is more in.
I placed the link for the music you were looking for. Found it.
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Hugs to you all.
Thanks for the link Miriam. That website http://mountain19.livejournal.com/ or the videos there sure has put it all together though.
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Peggy & David,
Here’s the quote I was looking for at your website, David, and to me, it’s very revealing in view of your technique and the purported “outcome”, especially when you examine what we’ve discovered here from our reversals.
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I ask you, David, how can you be sure your “Metaphor Restructuring” technique isn’t sending people to the wolves by reinforcing metaphors that use the same terms to program people, clones and Programmable Life Forms (PLFs)?
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Both clips below are at this page of David’s website: http://www.reversespeech.com/article0903.htm :
START CLIP
Thus was born a brand new therapeutic technique that I entitled “Metaphor Restructuring.” It went something like this.
First I would conduct a reverse speech session with my client and find the metaphors they were running. In a subsequent session I would ask my client how could these metaphors be changed to achieve their desired behavioural outcomes. Much to my amazement, speech reversals would come back that would tell me exactly what to do. For example, the man whose wolf had fallen into the lake might produce a reversal that said “Give the wolf a stick and pull him out.” I would then place my client in a light meditative state and ask him to visualise the wolf in the lake. Then, following the instructions contained in the follow up tape, I would ask my client to take the wolf out the lake. I called this metaphoric journey a “Metawalk.”
The results I obtained were amazing. Firstly the client experiences a very vivid metaphoric journey. Many times they would see the images before I suggested them. For a few days following the Metawalk, they would experience a sense of relief and lightness of mood. This mood would then gradually fade and 2-3 weeks later the real changes would begin. They seemed to start deep down inside and gradually grew in intensity until the behaviour they were seeking to change had almost completely vanished.
Thus I had developed a very powerful technique that was completely free of operator bias. It used the unconscious mind itself to both show us what was wrong and also how to rectify the problem. END CLIP FROM DAVID OATES WEBSITE
Yes, I’m sure you’ll say your patient was healed, but what of the following clip–when you are with the reps, yes, you do “get ahead.”
SECOND CLIP FROM DAVID OATES WEBSITE:
“At first the meaning of these phrases were a mystery to me but as the years of research passed I began to notice a trend with these metaphors. For example, every time someone used the word wolf in reverse, they were usually talking forward about motivation or the desire to get ahead. The word Goddess often occurred when someone was talking forward about hope for the future, and lake frequently occurred when they were talking forwards about emotions.”
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The way it looks to me, whether you know it or not, your interpretations of metaphors certainly corroborates with the rep agenda.
Miriam, With all due respect, I do not think it’s the “zappers” because anything left behind has to be disinformation, otherwise we’d all be using it, no? From that clip (the video about the cure for AIDS at this link http://mountain19.livejournal.com/ ) , I did not get that it was zappers–I have heard about zappers, and people have routinely made fun of them and reproduced them so that they conveniently do not work, which has served their agenda. Like, for example, Royal Rife. His work was bastardized so that no one could figure out what he had rightfully discovered as the “cure for all disease”–by disseminating junk info that discredits the founder, or even by making sure the discoverer dies of cancer (they have ways to make sure that happens), then they win, and that means they’re still reaping the profits from sicknesses worldwide. I know it involved electricity, but it’s not what’s out there now … they had to have made sure he took it to his grave.
Hi Peggy and All,
I am learning so very much, it is rather hard to keep up… I did have this thought though… useful or not, it was interesting that a ship in the rescue business is named bridegroom… here is why:
bridegroom…biblically there is a parable about the 10 virgins 5 fell asleep and had to run and get more lamp oil, missing the bridegroom’s coming: while the other 5 kept watch and stayed “awake” and were ready when the bridegroom came. Just thought it was interesting… and sooo Kewl.
thank you all for all the work, and accepting me “as is”
Love and huggs
Coco~ That is exactly what I asked Peggy(above) when she said that David used hypnosis…! Thank you for delving into that. It brings that method very much into question.
As to zappers~ I don’t use one…expensive if you don’t make one(and the blueprint is indecipherable online)and a whole protocol is necessary which he outlines. Doctors would not know or care, so most people wouldn’t know about it. But I don’t want to get into it really.
I agree with your premise of good info disappearing.
Hi Tonya,hope your doing ok.Keep up the good work.Hugs to you,xx zandog.
Coco,
I just went to your website for the first time. It looks great. Lots of important information there. Congratulations on getting online. I know it takes a lot of work.
We have to all keep the bad guys on the run.
Turtlegurl,
The question of which ships are the good guys and which are not, is very important. What myself and others have heard is that the whole charade has to be completely exposed as PX passes and the net comes down. We have to see the reptilians, and everyone, without exception has to come to know all of the terrible things that they did.
The One will make Himself known to each person. I’m not sure how that will happen, but there have to be no doubts about things, no arguments over what is true and what is false.
Then each person will have to opportunity to make decisions for their own future, to leave or stay, or to leave and then come back, but there is going to be a cleansing of Earth as this is vital to reestablish a healthy planet here.
Just think of millions of hybrid reptilian aliens with exploded heads from the kill chip going off. It’s a disgusting thought, but what a clean up job that would be. This all has to get washed away before we can reclaim Eden here.
But no one should go out on any ship, or go underground until after all events have played out, no matter how scarey it seems. I know there will be protection for all who stay calm and stay put.
The use of hypnosis was at the heart of the creation of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqUffXtqzRc
Some don”t hear the reversal:
it’s frô’ je lent
(David’s) own voice of truth–it’s fraudulent
If RS is indeed the voice of truth, then this reversal must be specifically referring to David’s own voice. Why would his own voice of truth be fraudulent?
Definitions of fraudulent on the Web:
deceitful: intended to deceive; “deceitful advertising”; “fallacious testimony”; “smooth, shining, and deceitful as thin ice” - S.T.Coleridge; …
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
In the broadest sense, a fraud is a deception made for personal gain. The specific legal definition varies by legal jurisdiction. Fraud is a crime, and is also a civil law violation. Many hoaxes are fraudulent, although those not made for personal gain are not technically frauds. Defrauding people of money is presumably the most common type of fraud, but there have also been many fraudulent “discoveries” in art, archaeology, and science.
Definition
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them – usually, to obtain property or services unjustly. [1] Fraud can be accomplished through the aid of forged objects. In the criminal law of common law jurisdictions it may be called “theft by deception,” “larceny by trick,” “larceny by fraud and deception” or something similar.
In academia and science, fraud can refer to academic fraud – the falsifying of research findings which is a form of scientific misconduct – and in common use intellectual fraud signifies falsification of a position taken or implied by an author or speaker, within a book, controversy or debate, or an idea deceptively presented to hide known logical weaknesses. Journalistic fraud implies a similar notion, the falsification of journalistic findings.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraudulent
Dishonest; based on or obtained by fraud.
http://www.federated.ca/gloss/f.htm
This was my first reaction when I found the reversal:
‘Only David knows for certain, but my pick would be “intellectual fraud signifies falsification of a position taken or implied by an author or speaker, within a book, controversy or debate, or an idea deceptively presented to hide known logical weaknesses.”‘
While I still believe my original choice gets right to the heart of the matter today in his trying to make reverse speech into a one-size-fits-all phenomenon, the reversal occurred at an earlier time when he was using hypnosis in an effort to change his reversals into what he wanted them to be.
Eve is always living
she is always conscious